I had a conversation today re fast track riding and the chap i was chatting to made a valid point......dont spend money on power....spend it on suspension to make the bike more rideable! It makes sense as i dont really use the power the bike already has
What would be more important........sorting the front out or rear?
Ive not got the funds for an Ohlins, WP etc so will be going down the budget route. Its on the ZX10 2004 for track only. Im 16 stone.
Any suggestions? Would a standard fork/shock rebuild be of any use? If so can anyone who has had it done recommend a particular setup....springs, fluid etc
Depends on how much you want to spend?
Your talking £300ish to revalve / respring your forks and £400 for something like a Nitron base level shock.
Quote from: Gobert on July 27, 2014, 07:59:19 PM
Depends on how much you want to spend?
Your talking £300ish to revalve / respring your forks and £400 for something like a Nitron base level shock.
I paid £150 to have my fork valves reworked to K-tch spec (and then serviced with new seals) locally at http://www.tillitsuspension.com (http://www.tillitsuspension.com)
By far the best value 'item' I have bought for it to date. Was warned that unless spending stupid money on the shock unit, you will barely improve on what comes with the bike out of the crate.
where are you based?
Quote from: ash on July 27, 2014, 08:04:39 PM
Quote from: Gobert on July 27, 2014, 07:59:19 PM
Depends on how much you want to spend?
Your talking £300ish to revalve / respring your forks and £400 for something like a Nitron base level shock.
I paid £150 to have my fork valves reworked to K-tch spec (and then serviced with new seals) locally at http://www.tillitsuspension.com (http://www.tillitsuspension.com)
By far the best value 'item' I have bought for it to date. Was warned that unless spending stupid money on the shock unit, you will barely improve on what comes with the bike out of the crate.
Totally disagree.
Aftermarket rear shocks at the lower end of the scale - eg Wilbers and Nitron - are a lot better than older oe stuff when it comes to track work.
Im in Aylesbury but get around so im open to any places
The route im looking at would be re spring/fluids etc on the front and something similar on the rear
I was going to say give hm racing a bell but your a bit far
I was lucky when I was kitting out the RR trackbike.....eBay came to my rescue and provided me with a WP4618 shock for £200 and then a later version USD forked front end that has Maxton GP25 internals for £400. All parts had been recently serviced, so it was bolt on and go.
The bike was good before hand, but after, completely different level.
You can talk to Maxton direct...reworked forks...Maxton rear shock...all springs to suit your weight. Worth a call.
Quote from: Gobert on July 27, 2014, 08:09:01 PM
Quote from: ash on July 27, 2014, 08:04:39 PM
Quote from: Gobert on July 27, 2014, 07:59:19 PM
Depends on how much you want to spend?
Your talking £300ish to revalve / respring your forks and £400 for something like a Nitron base level shock.
I paid £150 to have my fork valves reworked to K-tch spec (and then serviced with new seals) locally at http://www.tillitsuspension.com (http://www.tillitsuspension.com)
By far the best value 'item' I have bought for it to date. Was warned that unless spending stupid money on the shock unit, you will barely improve on what comes with the bike out of the crate.
Totally disagree.
Aftermarket rear shocks at the lower end of the scale - eg Wilbers and Nitron - are a lot better than older oe stuff when it comes to track work.
In what respect ?
That even aftermarket shocks at the cheaper end of the scale are a lot better than a brand new oe shock let alone one that's done a few thousand miles.
I have to agree ,if the oe shock has not been set up properly even a low end after market will perform much better
Quote from: Carbon_ZX6R on July 27, 2014, 10:11:27 PM
I have to agree ,if the oe shock has not been set up properly even a low end after market will perform much better
Even if it's set up then it's not close - the budget for oe suspension is a very small and this is reflected in the quality of the oil they use.
I've run oe, modified oe and WP/Ohlins/Maxton on track and there is a marked difference between each level. The one thing that applies to all 3 is that they must be set up by someone who knows what they are doing otherwise you are just wasting your money.
not close close but a lot nearer than a stock oe shock ive had mine set up and thought It was pretty good then I had a ohlins ttx shock and cartridge kit fitted and it was a game changer
That's the thing - you accept what you've got as the standard then you try something else and the goalposts move.
The biggest thing I've noticed on track is how tyre wear improves as you use better, well set up kit. Going through a back tyre every day is NOT funny.........
Quote from: Gobert on July 27, 2014, 10:43:12 PM
That's the thing - you accept what you've got as the standard then you try something else and the goalposts move.
The biggest thing I've noticed on track is how tyre wear improves as you use better, well set up kit. Going through a back tyre every day is NOT funny.........
not at todays prices its not!!
I had a slightly different problem in that my standard suspension was way too hard and I was out of the seat on any little bump.
Took my bike to MCT suspension who said they could help me without replacing the whole shock - they completely stripped and rebuilt it and changed the spring and it's worked an absolute treat (ask M6rk what they actually did to the insides, I have no idea). The bike feels a million times better. Except for a little tweaking they didn't need to do anything to the front.
Give them a ring and they'll tell you what they will and won't be able to do with what you've got http://www.mctsuspension.co.uk/Home.html
Oh, I spent about £300 by the way.
+1 to MCT - only ever read / hear positive things about them.
They totally transformed my 04 ZX10r
And if their good enough for the national endurance champions .....
Cheers for the replies.
I will probably look at a service on the forks...springs etc and get something done on the shock......maybe re spring and fluid
Get cartridge kits and be done with it
Quote from: Maddog on July 27, 2014, 07:50:51 PM
Im 16 stone.
Any suggestions? Would a standard fork/shock rebuild be of any use? If so can anyone who has had it done recommend a particular setup....springs, fluid etc
Set it up first and see where you are with sag etc first. An after market rear shock transformed my b1 zx6r, but that is not in your budget really. But the best budget move is to get it setup first and see if there are any major issues to concentrate on, then chip away bit by bit. Rear sag being changed can transform a bike alone.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LOOK-KAWASAKI-ZX6R-ZX-6R-NINJA-636-B1H-2004-HYPERPRO-REAR-SHOCK-ABSORBER-/131226824998?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts_13&hash=item1e8dba7126
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HYPER-PRO-RACING-SHOCK-Kawasaki-zx6r-suzuki-gsxr-yamaha-yzf-Honda-cbr-/261534786287?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts_13&hash=item3ce4b022ef
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hyperpro-Sport-Rear-Shock-Absorber-Kawasaki-ZX6R-03-04-B1H-/151357751693?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts_13&hash=item233da0018d
dig deep and be done with it
Newer tech with high speed adjuster, probably lots less mileage on it
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/KAWASAKI-ZX10R-REAR-SHOCK-E8F-E9F-08-09-10-/201153282494?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts_13&hash=item2ed5ab81be (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/KAWASAKI-ZX10R-REAR-SHOCK-E8F-E9F-08-09-10-/201153282494?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts_13&hash=item2ed5ab81be)
K-Tech reworked the forks on my Fireblade and my SP2 for about £200 from memory. Big improvement. I think you've got to going some to need to worry about replacement cartridges etc. Most rear shocks can be tweaked but OE shocks are usually pretty cheap. I read somewhere the manufacturer shock budget on a Sportsbike is about £50!