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RR - EVO 3

Started by WizzBang, July 20, 2013, 07:20:55 pm

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WizzBang

July 20, 2013, 07:20:55 pm Last Edit: September 18, 2013, 08:25:39 pm by Neil
Here we go again..... The project thread continues.







After experiencing high running temperatures for the last few years, I noticed that this year things have been getting worse quicker.

Having a good poke around seems to indicate that the head gasket is failing despite no oil/water problems, just running hot and losing water and not to mention air bubbles appearing in the overflow bottle when the engine is revved.


Today I bit the bullet and decided that the engine needs to come out, I had already taken off the fairings, the exhaust, most of the cooling system and the fuel tank, then it was onto unknown territory


First off, the ecu, the secondary fuel injectors and fuel rail



The onto the airbox



After that was the main fuel injectors and throttle bodies



Quick note of which plugs go where



Throttle bodies off...what next ?



Oh so many wires



Thermostat housing off along with the rest of the coolant hoses



Loom tucked out of harms way....where does it all go ?



Time to get busy with the Dremel......special Honda tool required



5 mins later



A good enough fit



New Honda CBR600RR Superleggera



It was encouraging that it all went straight forward, but the real challenge for me lays ahead.  Next job is to get the cylinder head off and hopefully find the cause of the issues.  Then fit a new gasket and rebuild.  I'm also thinking that whist it is like this I should do the valve clearances and anything that is on the service schedule.

I'm also thinking of stripping the rest of the bike down and painting the frame and making the whole bike mint.


During this period of rest for the bike (will be into next year before trackdays again) there are other jobs to do to....brake fluid needs changing, might as well change the pads too...infact might get some newer/cleaner calipers too.  Might even see if my 'budget' can extend to a slipper clutch too.

Nib

Love these projects, keep us updated!

Dom1

Good work mate.

If you get stuck manufacturing special tools I will put you in touch with the fella off ebay who made my clutch tool for the Sherco for £18 instead of £75 from Sherco.

He does all sorts.
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Bullet

Ooo isnt the swingarm pivot used as an engine mount on the 600rr then? I couldn't believe how much had to be taken off an SP1 and a cbr600f to get the engines out!

WizzBang

Yep, swingarm pivot was removed...put it back in after though, just to have a rolling chassis.

WizzBang

Today saw the stripdown of the top end of the engine



1 complete engine



Plugs, coils and leads removed, then off with the cam cover



Timing aligned to the correct marks



Cam chain top guide removed



Camshaft mounting brackets removed



Camshafts out



Buckets and shims removed



Bucket/shim holder that doubles up as an ice cube tray



Head off and this is the view of the top of the block




Underside of the head, with the gasket still in place



Gasket placed onto block




To be honest it's not the picture that I had imagined.  I wanted to see the gasket showing clear signs of failing so I could easily identify the problem area, then get a new gasket and rebuild.  As it stands now, I'm not entirely sure that the gasket is the cause of the water problems.  2nd opinions have now to be sought.

Millhouse

Left to right I'd go with nr3 cylinder. Looks like a witness mark on he waterway at 10 o'clock.
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m6rk

waterways do look kinda crudded up.. i found just using water without any corrosion inhibators gave similar results.. do you use coolant not just water?

either way i'd blow out the waterways with compressed air and flush everything though a few times..


mc101

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Millhouse

Life is a contact sport,  you'll be needing rule #5

mc101

Quote from: Millhouse on July 22, 2013, 07:52:38 am
Shouldn't this now be v2.01?

No - this is definately a major or major.minor release ..

I think v3.1 or 2.1 potentially ;-)
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WizzBang


WizzBang

Found these markings whilst getting ready to do the shims, thought I'd add them to the thread here to keep everything together



Head first


Close up


Also on the head


Then hand written inside the head is "110" on the inlet side, and "160" on the exhaust side



Then on the cases


Close up



Anyone able to decipher what they are, or why they are there ?

Bullet

Interesting........ found similar initials and numbers on my SP1 when I rebuilt the top end on that, only mine said JR122 on it same place as yours either side of the crankcase join, and inside the head no idea why it was there or what it meant though?

WizzBang

I got the valve clearances checked this afternoon, and all in spec.  I will be getting 1 shim though, as one valve is on the tolerence of 0.03mm over (the rest are either spot on or +/- 0.01mm).


I then started the arduous task of cleaning off the stuck gasket material left on the head.  Didn't get very far, got bored very quickly, so that will have to wait for another day.